04173: arabianm, rayforcej, ridingf, dariusgj: Sound recording for reference

ID	Category [?]	Severity [?]	Reproducibility	Date Submitted	Last Update
04173	Original Reference	Minor	Have not tried	Jan 6, 2011, 17:41	Jul 28, 2012, 16:48

Tester	Stefan Lindberg	View Status	Public	Platform	MAME (Official Binary)
Assigned To		Resolution	Open	OS
Status [?]	Acknowledged			Driver	taito/taito_f3.cpp
Version	0.140	Fixed in Version		Build	Normal
		Fixed in Git Commit		Github Pull Request #

Summary	04173: arabianm, rayforcej, ridingf, dariusgj: Sound recording for reference
Description	Here are some PCB recordings from some Taito F3 games, theay are recorded using a S/PDIF modification (using DIT4096) so have that in mind it may or may not be used as "original reference"? All is recorded in 44.1 khz sample rate and then i manually changed the speed to proper sample rate (29.762khz) using a sound editor called Audacity (the files are still saved in 44.1 khz though, but at correct speed of course) Most recordings are from Riding Fight as that is the game i right now have the S/PDIF mod attached to. Riding Fight (in MAME) do have sound in the sound test menu, it starts to work after a while but not in the game. For Riding Fight so does the 5505 output on three serial data pins (pin7,8,9). Pin7 = soundeffects (except sound test 0C) Pin8 = Guitar instrument Pin9 = the rest of the music instruments Note about soundeffect "0c"... it plays on both pin8 and pin9 from 5505, maybe thats create the reverb effect and not the DSP? The serial output data from 5505 does not go to the 5510 directly they passes thru the "TC0660FCM" wich seems to change data format on the serial sound data. I setup the DIT4096 to use "24-bit left justified" as input format when i recorded from the 5505 pins7-9 but after the TCM0660FCM i had to set it up to "I2S" as input format format. The 5510 serial data output (pin 12) has all 3 inputs mixed and has DSP effects added, i could use the same S/PDIF config as when i recorded the 5505 output. The data from "pin 12" then goes to the TCM0660FCM and is converted to "I2S" signal and then goes straight to the DAC. Here are some recordings. Pin7 5505 (sound effect "0a"): http://arcade.ym2149.com/sound/ridingfight_pcb_soundtest_0a_5505_pin7.flac Pin8 5505 (soundtest "03"): http://arcade.ym2149.com/sound/ridingfight_pcb_soundtest_03_5505_pin8.flac Pin9 5505 (soundtest "03"): http://arcade.ym2149.com/sound/ridingfight_pcb_soundtest_03_5505_pin9.flac And here are both pin8 and pin9 mixed by me using an sound editor: http://arcade.ym2149.com/sound/ridingfight_pcb_soundtest_03_5505_pin8-9_mixed.flac I could not separate the sound in MAME so here is soundtest 03 for comparison with the mixed recording i posted above: http://arcade.ym2149.com/sound/ridingfight_mame_soundtest_03.flac And a PCB recording how it should sound after the DSP mixing and effects: http://arcade.ym2149.com/sound/ridingfight_pcb_soundtest_03_(stage5).flac ------------ Also i lifted the input pins of 5510 so i could record each sound sperate with DSP effect added. here is the 5505 pin8 with added effect (distortion/AMP simulator): http://arcade.ym2149.com/sound/ridingfight_pcb_soundtest_03_5510_only_5505pin8.flac And 5505 pin9 with added effect (Reverb): http://arcade.ym2149.com/sound/ridingfight_pcb_soundtest_03_5510_only_5505pin9.flac -------------------- Here is sound test of "0c" (the sound effect wich play in both pin8 and pin9) recorded after DSP mixing: http://arcade.ym2149.com/sound/ridingfight_pcb_soundtest_0c_5510_pin12.flac MAME recording of sound test "0c": http://arcade.ym2149.com/sound/ridingfight_mame_soundtest_0c.flac Some other non-Riding Fight recordings. Arabian Magic PCB sound test "05": http://arcade.ym2149.com/sound/arabianmagic_pcb_soundtest_05.flac Arabian Magic MAME soundtest "05": http://arcade.ym2149.com/sound/arabianmagic_mame_soundtest_05.flac Rayforce PCB "gameplay" recording: http://arcade.ym2149.com/sound/rayforce_pcb_gameplay_(correct_stereo).flac ---------------------- Darius Gaiden don't use DSP effects much so some music is practically identical in MAME... wich is a good thing regarding emulation i guess ;-) It do have a sound that seems to be totally created by the DSP (5510) and that is a "swooosch" sound that can be heard very well at about 50 seconds in the recording i post here, and is not heard at all in MAME. Darius Gaiden PCB sound test 45: http://arcade.ym2149.com/sound/darius_gaiden_pcb_st45.flac Darius Gaiden MAME sound test 45: http://arcade.ym2149.com/sound/darius_gaiden_mame_st45.flac ----------------
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Affected Sets / Systems	arabianm, rayforcej, ridingf, dariusgj

Attached Files	ridingfight_pcb_soundtest_0a_5505_pin7.flac (350,436 bytes) Jan 10, 2011, 14:56 Uploaded by Fujix Pin7 5505 (sound effect "0a"):
	ridingfight_pcb_soundtest_03_5505_pin8.flac (6,512,195 bytes) Jan 10, 2011, 14:57 Uploaded by Fujix Pin8 5505 (soundtest "03"):
	rayforce_manual_7.jpg (322,898 bytes) Jul 28, 2012, 16:45 Uploaded by Stefan Lindberg Rayforce pinout for stereo sound

No.07021 Fujix Administrator Jan 6, 2011, 19:45	Updated the system to accept a flac extension file. Now you can upload flac files if necessary.
No.07034 Stefan Lindberg Senior Tester Jan 8, 2011, 12:50	Did some info update and also added two more recordings (the pin 8 - 9 with added effects). Fujix... is it possible to add notes to each upload? This post would get confusing if notes can't be added to each recording :-)
No.07042 Fujix Administrator Jan 8, 2011, 17:26	Nope, we have to individualize each upload by its file name.. I checked the database definition of this system, I found it has a text description field. I'm thinking of adding a support for file note.
No.07048 Stefan Lindberg Senior Tester Jan 9, 2011, 12:24	Added "Darius Gaiden" recordings, it's the only F3 cart i have so i am out of F3 games to test now :-)
No.07054 Fujix Administrator Jan 10, 2011, 15:06 edited on: Jan 10, 2011, 15:07	I added a support for file note along with a uploader name :) The max text length is 250 characters.
No.08832 Stefan Lindberg Senior Tester Jul 28, 2012, 16:48	It turnes out my old Rayforce recording has left and right sound channels reversed, i uploaded the pinout for Rayforce stereo pinout. Not all F3 games have the same left/right config... or at least no Rayforce. So MAME should also swap left/right to be correct... it is wrong ATM.