07338: crvision: Creativision has a 16 way joystick, not an 8 way joystick

ID	Category [?]	Severity [?]	Reproducibility	Date Submitted	Last Update
07338	DIP/Input	Minor	Always	May 27, 2019, 02:18	Aug 27, 2020, 18:16

Tester	Cheshirenoir	View Status	Public	Platform	MAME (Official Binary)
Assigned To	Robbbert	Resolution	Fixed	OS	Windows 10 (64-bit)
Status [?]	Resolved			Driver	vtech/crvision.cpp
Version	0.209	Fixed in Version	0.225	Build	64-bit
		Fixed in Git Commit		Github Pull Request #

Summary	07338: crvision: Creativision has a 16 way joystick, not an 8 way joystick
Description	Documentation from the original manuals mentions that the Creativision has a 16 way joystick not an 8 way joystick. See page 9 of the user manual located at: http://www.madrigaldesign.it/creativemu/harditem.php?id=10 My memory form the system is that Planet Defender could make use of the additional diagonals.
Steps To Reproduce	Running MAME with the -listxml option for crvision returns an 8 way joystick.
Additional Information	I suspect this has always been this way.
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Affected Sets / Systems	crvision

Attached Files	DickSmithWizzardManualPg89.pdf (137,932 bytes) May 27, 2019, 02:18 Uploaded by Cheshirenoir Pages 8 & 9 of the manual for the Dick Smith Wizzard. (Australian branded version of the Creativision)
Attached Files	joytest.7z (4,111 bytes) May 28, 2019, 12:42 Uploaded by Tafoid joystick tester for crvision

No.16480 Robbbert Moderator May 28, 2019, 08:21	From: http://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=382521
No.16481 Tafoid Administrator May 28, 2019, 12:41 edited on: May 28, 2019, 15:50	I made a program in basic to read and display values for joysticks 1 and 2 (attached .wav file loadable via MAME and I'd assume an actual Createavision machine.) The unfortunate part is that it only seems to recognize up/down/left/right and center and no combinations. It may be a BASIC limitation, or an issue with the way the joystick is hooked up to the machine in source - I have no idea. Even with "16_way", it showed no change in behavior. If you or someone you know has a ready to go Createavision or clone and they can load my example file, I'd love to hear if it shows more then 1,3,5,7 or 0 for values for either joysticks. I can make the token change in source to have it say 16-way, but I'm unsure how to test it. I tried Planet Defender and it didn't really notice any difference between normal or 16_way designations. To use the image, mount via command-line "-cass joytest.wav" or using the File Manager tool in UI. Then, when running BASIC cartridge, type "CLOAD" then activate PLAY on the emulated tape drive (TAB -> Tape Controls) and it should load. Type RUN to poll both joysticks. Press UP on both to exit or use CTRL-C to fall back to prompt.
No.16485 Cheshirenoir Tester May 29, 2019, 05:54	I will see if I can locate someone with a physical Creativision who can assist with this.
No.16501 Cheshirenoir Tester Jun 2, 2019, 11:39	Finally found a CreatiVision user / developer who can confirm that it's a 16 way joystick as they have used it as such in their own software. They'll test the supplied joytest and get back to us. (Thanks Mobsie!)
No.16833 Cheshirenoir Tester Sep 4, 2019, 08:49	Unfortunately my contact has fallen off the grid. I'm still attempting to find someone with original hardware to test this.
No.17491 Cheshirenoir Tester Mar 17, 2020, 05:19	STILL trying to source a Creativision.
No.17492 Robbbert Moderator Mar 17, 2020, 22:34	I recently scanned a review of the Wizzard and there's some information about the joystick on the first page. http://messui.polygonal-moogle.com/comp/wizzard.pdf
No.17915 Robbbert Moderator Aug 27, 2020, 18:16 edited on: Aug 27, 2020, 18:18	There's 8 direction pads per joystick. By pressing 2 adjacent pads, you can get 16 directions. Added the missing diagonal pads. Note: BASIC can only see the 8 pads, as per the manual.