08392: rygar and clones: voice was changed in some previous version

ID	Category [?]	Severity [?]	Reproducibility	Date Submitted	Last Update
08392	Sound	Minor	Always	Aug 6, 2022, 23:59	18 days ago

Tester	Augusto	View Status	Public	Platform	SDLMAME
Assigned To		Resolution	Open	OS	Linux (64-bit)
Status [?]	Acknowledged			Driver	tecmo/tecmo.cpp
Version	0.245	Fixed in Version		Build	64-bit
		Fixed in Git Commit		Github Pull Request #

Summary	08392: rygar and clones: voice was changed in some previous version
Description	Thanks for read that bug report. MAME current and several previous versions Rygar voice not sounds the same comparing with old versions before 0.92. The first audio file is from MAME. The second audio file is from X68000 version named Argos no Senshi. The X68000 is very known for having high quality arcade ports. The X68000 audio is for reference. I remember playing Rygar in arcades, but have anything strange with MAME emulating Rygar voice. MAME voice sounds as being an kid and the X68000 not sounds as an kid. I remind playing arcade Rygar and the voice didn't sounds as an kid and the X68000 remember the arcade, but maybe I had played an alternate version not dumped. MAMEInfo has information was done change in versions 0.37b5 adding MSM5205 0.182 OPL changes 0.124u1 CPU sound clock changes. The report was tested in SDLMAME and also happen in official binary. Please if you can test using an several previous version try 0.36, 0.66 and 0.92 (or other previous version before 0.92) and compare the voice with MAME current version. Here I not has any previous version. You will listen the Rygar voice was changed in some previous version confirming voice was changed, but need understand if is exactly the same voice comparing with arcade. Thus being need an arcade video capture. Have an nice week.
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Affected Sets / Systems	rygar and clones

Attached Files	1.m4a (59,407 bytes) Aug 6, 2022, 23:59 Uploaded by Augusto
Attached Files	2.m4a (123,598 bytes) Aug 6, 2022, 23:59 Uploaded by Augusto

No.20445 Fujix Administrator Aug 11, 2022, 22:35	Here's movie of a real arcade by Mikado. X68000 is totally high quality, but the PCM chip is not the same as the arcade. And regarding the sound pitch, MAME sounds correctly and X68 is slightly low.
No.20464 Fujix Administrator Aug 16, 2022, 04:10 edited on: Aug 16, 2022, 04:10	I noticed the the sound effect when a player attacks is missing in MAME. Voices are OK?
No.20465 Augusto Tester Aug 16, 2022, 06:03 edited on: Aug 17, 2022, 12:17	Thanks very much for your reply and the video link Here another arcade capture remember extremely the arcade version I had played and also MAME several previous version. Here the arcade emulation in the PS4 for me MAME comparing with both videos the voice not sounds similar. Unhappily high percentage of arcade video captures with the arcade sound volume extremely low compared with video author voice. about "I noticed the the sound effect when a player attacks is missing in MAME." In MAME several previous version has an strange detail. Start an gameplay and after try 1 ) - Lose an life. - Soft reset the machine. - Start an new gameplay. - Now Rygar when attacking has an weapon diskarmor sound fx. 2 ) - Try catch one power up (star or crown). - Lose an life. - Now Rygar when attacking has an weapon diskarmor sound fx. The weapon diskarmor sound fx is done by YM3526. I see now how is good not remove MAME "old" previous versions because help in future reports. Fujix thanks very much for your good deed. Have an nice week.
No.20471 Fujix Administrator Aug 17, 2022, 09:56 edited on: Aug 17, 2022, 10:01	The first video smells MAME... because the scanlines are artificial. And referencing any port versions is not a good idea, in many cases they are emulation, I know some of them had the same bug as MAME such like Astro City Mini.
No.20472 Augusto Tester Aug 17, 2022, 11:01 edited on: Aug 17, 2022, 12:38	I had posted about the PS4 version only because the voice remember an old MAME version. MAME 0.92 video capture. voice in 0.92 and current version not are similar. In 0:45 MSM5205 volume 0 to be more easy to listen the YM3526. YM3526 does the diskarmor sound. Not power up not has diskarmor sound. When the player has the power up star or crown has an diskarmor fx. Lose life. Even without power up has diskarmor fx. The link below voice sounds similar with 0.92. PCB japanese version. Video have the PCB In moment : - an PCB video capture with voice similar with MAME current version. - another PCB video capture with voice similar with MAME 0.92. - Having power up start and crown has an diskarmor fx that continue even if losing an life. - Fujix has noticed missing diskarmor sound fx.
No.23504 hap Developer 19 days ago	Regarding the "woosh" attack sound effect that's low volume in MAME: I think it's a BTANB, and it's probably intended to be lower volume until you pick up a more powerful weapon? In MAME, the sfx changes after you pick up the 'sun' weapon. And afterwards, the sfx will stick, it won't revert to the lower volume sfx even after game over. As if the game forgets to reinitialize it. There are videos of Rygar from fresh boot, and the attack sound is same as MAME. The Japanese video Fujix linked already has a high score set, so it must have configured the louder attack sfx by then.
No.23507 Augusto Tester 19 days ago	Not exactly low volume. When you pick up some items is changed the sound fx. "And afterwards, the sfx will stick, it won't revert to the lower volume sfx even after game over. As if the game forgets to reinitialize it." Correct. That game has some weird bugs in some stages for example an bug in an region of memory doing the time over death monster not appear on screen if the player hit an snake when the time finish. Both death monster and snake share the same memory region. MAME Rygar's voice is not exactly the same compared with arcade.
No.23508 hap Developer 19 days ago	The voice is the same as the jp pcb video (at 400khz). I don't know why some other videos have a lower (384khz) voice pitch. Which xtal is for the 'official' one? Who knows.
No.23509 Augusto Tester 18 days ago	MAME 0.92 and current version not are the same voice.
No.23511 Robbbert Moderator 18 days ago	What another version of MAME does is not relevant. You can only compare with a real machine.