08700: luckywld and clones: Positional guns incorrectly mapped to lightgun inputs

ID	Category [?]	Severity [?]	Reproducibility	Date Submitted	Last Update
08700	DIP/Input	Minor	Always	Jul 5, 2023, 03:18	Jul 11, 2023, 11:11

Tester	Balthier	View Status	Public	Platform	MAME (Official Binary)
Assigned To		Resolution	Open	OS	Windows 10/11 (64-bit)
Status [?]	Acknowledged			Driver	namco/namcos2.cpp
Version	0.256	Fixed in Version		Build	64-bit
		Fixed in Git Commit		Github Pull Request #

Summary	08700: luckywld and clones: Positional guns incorrectly mapped to lightgun inputs
Description	This is another "X/Y" positional gun game incorrectly mapped to lightgun inputs. It uses potentiometers, and there are no photo sensor parts or any other IR/optic parts to be found in this machine's parts list or diagrams at all.
Steps To Reproduce	1. Run the luckywld and TAB to the Input Assignments for the system and view them.
Additional Information	I found the manual for this game (not in Mame Extras again) and attached it along with images of the gun assembly and wiring diagrams. The manual was located at this url: https://www.manualslib.com/brand/namco/arcade-game-machines.html Maybe there are other manuals not usually available over there that could help people and projects out, I haven't checked them all yet. Todd of TNT Amusements talks about the game and guns (also says it has no optics) in the following video, and even has Operation Thunderbolt and Revolution X guns hooked up to it. The original guns are just plain looking pistols. EDIT: This game shares some pieces of hardware with the first Steel Gunner game. Looking back through that manual I see some of the same parts and numbers that are in the image I attached (they all start with SG04). They even have the same pots, "49 VOLUME EWS-UOA20E53 008-006" on page 27 http://www.aurcade.com/games/manuals/00000794.pdf I made mention of the Steel Gunner games being hooked up wrong in another report previously https://mametesters.org/view.php?id=8684 and this supports it. I don't understand why these and several other shooters using sticks just like Terminator 2 or Alien 3 The Gun are mapped to the lightgun inputs in mame. Anything using pots and lacks optics is just a toy gun on a flight stick, so should be AD_STICK.
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Affected Sets / Systems	luckywld and clones

Attached Files	lucky__wild.pdf (485,811 bytes) Jul 5, 2023, 03:19 Uploaded by Balthier
Attached Files	luckywld_pages_23-25_and_switch_test.png (206,677 bytes) Jul 5, 2023, 03:19 Uploaded by Balthier