08997: mario and clones: Walking sound is a little too harsh and short

ID	Category [?]	Severity [?]	Reproducibility	Date Submitted	Last Update
08997	Sound	Trivial	Have not tried	Dec 6, 2024, 01:51	3 hours ago

Tester	125scratch	View Status	Public	Platform	MAME (Official Binary)
Assigned To		Resolution	Open	OS
Status [?]	Acknowledged			Driver	nintendo/mario.cpp
Version	0.272	Fixed in Version		Build
		Fixed in Git Commit		Github Pull Request #

Summary	08997: mario and clones: Walking sound is a little too harsh and short
Description	Compare the original PCB:
Steps To Reproduce	Start a game with sound enabled and move left or right.
Additional Information
Github Commit

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Regression Version
Affected Sets / Systems	mario and clones

Attached Files

No.23160 125scratch Tester Mar 26, 2025, 17:27	Thought I'd send an original hardware reference I recorded myself. https://files.catbox.moe/3ulixl.wav
No.24168 125scratch Tester 2 days ago	I tested a build with the new fix, and I have to say the duration of the sound is pretty much perfect, but the tone itself is still a bit too loud. On the original hardware it sounds more "smooth".
No.24169 125scratch Tester 2 days ago	When analyzing the sound effect slowed down 0.25x, it seems like the original hardware only has the relatively lower-pitched "slide up" component, and doesn't contain the scratchy higher-pitched part, though the skid sound still has that.
No.24170 hap Developer 1 day ago	Ok I'll reopen the bugreport. And to make it sound clearer, try this in nl_mario.cpp: (still not 100% correct, and much slower to emulate) PARAM(Solver.DYNAMIC_TS, 1) PARAM(Solver.DYNAMIC_MIN_TIMESTEP, 1e-6) instead of: PARAM(Solver.DYNAMIC_LTE, 5e-2) PARAM(Solver.DYNAMIC_TS, 0)
No.24173 hap Developer 1 day ago	I enabled DYNAMIC_TS and left the other param alone here: https://github.com/mamedev/mame/commit/87e09a4cc840a0cc9c4499ad697e201854728f36 Sound is clearer, netlist emulation is slower but not excessive. Good enough to resolve bug report?
No.24182 125scratch Tester 18 hours ago	Hmm, I'd say the high pitched part of the sound is still too loud, but this is still a lot more accurate than how it was before you made any of these changes. The report can be resolved if you're sure there's nothing that can be done to make it more accurate. I understand that these analog sound effects are difficult to emulate.
No.24183 hap Developer 18 hours ago	The 1st video in the above list has the clearest audio, I think the 'wip wip wip' sounds about as loud as MAME? It's less clear on the other videos.
No.24184 125scratch Tester 18 hours ago	Fair enough, maybe it's accurate. It just sounds a bit much to me personally. It might vary a bit between boards.
No.24185 125scratch Tester 18 hours ago	I found a direct PCB capture reference:
No.24188 hap Developer 7 hours ago	Yeah, it sounds softer than the 1st video. And yes, analog sound won't sound exactly the same on all boards (wear & tear of discrete components). Though I won't say that MAME's netlist simulation overall is 100% accurate either.
No.24189 125scratch Tester 3 hours ago	The new emulation with DYNAMIC_TS enabled is still a lot more accurate than the old emulation, I'd understand if you want to leave it there.